The Rich Valdes Show/Westwood One “The Indictment,” May 10, 2023 – See transcript below.
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Rich Valdes: [01:08:55] We will straight ahead. First, I want to take a quick pause here, remind everybody [01:09:00] that we’re on with Frank Gaffney, former deputy assistant secretary for nuclear forces and arms control policy at the Department of Defense during the Reagan years. And we’re talking about his book, The Indictment Prosecuting the Chinese Communist Party and Friends for Crimes Against America, China and the World. Make sure you pick up a copy. I always say pick up two. One for yourself, one for a friend. And we’re going to do that as well as your calls. If you have questions on China for Frank Gaffney, the phone number 83348253378334. Valdes This is America.
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Rich Valdes: [01:02:22] All right, America, welcome back. We’re going to get to your calls and more in a little bit. 83348253378334. Valdes. And that’s Valdes with an S. You can always chime in online on any of the social medias at Rich Valdes with an S. I’m happy to take a look at your comments there. And there’s a US government probe looking into whether a Rockwell Automation operation in China might allow access to critical American government and industrial infrastructure. That’s according to the Wall Street Journal. And of course, we know China’s always [01:03:00] on the move with their unrestricted warfare, which seldom has to do with military might and often has to do with that. Right. Getting in, spying, stealing, doing what they do best. And and they’re going to do more of it. As you know, they’re lending their banking system seems to be the repayments are are not doing well with respect to new loans. So we’re going to see how that continues to play out. But with us to talk about China and to tell us about his new book is Frank Gaffney is the executive chairman of the Center for Security Policy, vice chairman of the Committee on the Present Danger China. And he’s the host of Securing America with Frank Gaffney on Real America’s Voice. Frank Gaffney, welcome to the program, sir.
Frank Gaffney: [01:03:52] Rick, it’s terrific to be with you. Thanks for having me.
Rich Valdes: [01:03:55] Yes, sir. So let us embark on our discussion with [01:04:00] with China, because I never have anything good to say about China. I’m a little bit of a sour on them all the time. Is there a good reason to think that China could ever be a trusted ally, a trusted partner, or just somebody that’s just not an active adversary or enemy?
Frank Gaffney: [01:04:21] Well, I think there is provided that it gets a new government. The Chinese Communist Party is the thing that stands in the way of that, of course. And this new book and thank you for mentioning it. The indictment we call it is about not only the danger that that Chinese Communist Party or CCP represents to the people of China, but to us and well, the world more generally, and why and how we can go about trying to counter them and ultimately hopefully bring them down. Because, you know, if you want to look [01:05:00] at what could be. If China were free of this totalitarian, brutally repressive, indeed genocidal regime, its killed 100 million of its own people. By some estimates. And and that doesn’t even take into account four, maybe 500 million others that have been killed as babies in the womb. There’s never been anything like it in terms of monstrous repression, as you know, Rick. But the the thing is, if you want to see what things might look like, were China actually free of the CCP? Look no further than Taiwan. And that’s why they’re determined, I’m afraid, through force of arms, if necessary, to bring down the Free Republic in Taiwan. And we should be doing everything we can to prevent that from happening.
Rich Valdes: [01:05:58] Now, with [01:06:00] respect to the comments you just made, you said that, you know, perhaps if we got rid of the Chinese Communist Party, this is a good start, I suppose. You also talk about the crimes against America and we know about some of the crimes against China. I mean, I remember the news reports surrounding Tiananmen Square, which was a massacre. And and I think that, you know, again, at the time, it was it was a flash in the pan as far as I can remember. I was a little kid, but I remember it not being a huge deal. And, you know, only as an adult did I really understand the severity of it. And what are some of China’s crimes against America?
Frank Gaffney: [01:06:42] Okay. May I just say one thing about gentlemen? The reason it was a blip is because. Immediately after the Chinese Communist Party murdered easily tens of thousands of people, probably many, many more. [01:07:00] The students in Tiananmen Square. Of course. Most obviously. But but across the country, in fact. The president, George H.W. Bush, sent his national security adviser to China to say we weren’t going to let that interfere with business as usual. It was going to be no problem as far as we were concerned. And then as a result, it became something that sort of slipped from the public consciousness instead of being just a prime example of the horrors of this thing and why this matters so much, why we’ve got this as the first charge in this indictment, Rick, is that’s what they would do to us if they can get their hands on us, what they’ve done to their own people and probably worse. But to your question about what they’ve done to us already, and you mentioned and I’m so glad you are aware of it and talking to your audience about [01:08:00] it, this practice of unrestricted warfare and that’s the term the Chinese communists themselves use, has brought unbelievable damage to our country. And we’ve developed eight different charges in this book related to what we call war crimes that they’ve engaged in, because it’s warfare. Yes. But we think and this is a page out of my old boss, Ronald Reagan’s playbook, by the way, the way to think about this operation is not as a political party or even as a legitimate government of China. It is a transnational criminal organization. So when it engages in warfare, they’re actually war crimes. And we recommend that they be prosecuted for eight of them in the court of public opinion. And I can go through some of them if you’d like.
Rich Valdes: [01:08:55] We will straight ahead. First, I want to take a quick pause here, remind everybody [01:09:00] that we’re on with Frank Gaffney, former deputy assistant secretary for nuclear forces and arms control policy at the Department of Defense during the Reagan years. And we’re talking about his book, The Indictment Prosecuting the Chinese Communist Party and Friends for Crimes Against America, China and the World. Make sure you pick up a copy. I always say pick up two. One for yourself, one for a friend. And we’re going to do that as well as your calls. If you have questions on China for Frank Gaffney, the phone number 83348253378334. Valdes This is America.
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Rich Valdes: [01:10:03] All right, America, welcome back. And we’re going to get to your calls and more momentarily, eight three, three, four Valdes. But right now, we’re on with Frank Gaffney. He is the head of the Center for Security Policy. Right. Did I get that right? I hope I did. And he has a brand new book, a fantastic book, The Indictment Prosecuting the Chinese Communist Party and Friends for Crimes Against America, China and the World. Make sure you pick up a couple of copies of that. Now, Frank Gaffney, we left off with you bringing us up to speed on a couple of examples of China’s unrestricted warfare here in the United States.
Frank Gaffney: [01:10:40] Yeah. As I said, there are eight charges. How we’ve sort of structured it. And I just say, first of all, I said, Rick, and I apologize for that, Rich, we’ve used as sort of the wellspring for this book 70 plus webinars that our committee on the present Danger China has conducted [01:11:00] over the past ten months or so, and they’re all available for free online if people want to do a deeper dive. And by the way, in the book, there’s a QR code for each of them that allow you to go to the videotape, as they say. But just to give you a couple of examples, I would argue that the single most insidious form of this unrestricted warfare, we call it, you know, influence operations. They have an entire department devoted to it called the United Front Work department. And the Chinese term for it is elite capture. And in our book’s subtitle is you’ve been kind enough to mention we’re talking about prosecuting not just the Chinese Communist Party, but its friends. And by that we mean leaders in our own country, starting most obviously with the commander in chief of the United States military, President Joe Biden. Many in his cabinet and sub-Cabinet administration positions, [01:12:00] many in Congress, but also governors, in some cases state legislators and the like. It’s been a target of political influence, but it’s also their unrestricted warfare influence. Operations have gone after capturing leaders of the financial sector in our country, which is transferred by some measures between 3 and $6 trillion of our money, our pension funds, our mutual funds, our investments of other kinds to the Chinese communists. And then there’s others in business leadership positions and academia and the media and Hollywood.
Frank Gaffney: [01:12:41] And, you know, when you put it all together, you know, sports and culture and so on, you put it all together. And it is not a mystery why so few of us even know that this war has been going on for decades against us, let alone the damage it’s done. And let me just [01:13:00] give you one prime example of this. There’s a phenomenon, as you know, called the Rust Belt in America. I grew up in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. It is the heart of the Rust Belt. When I was a kid, we produced steel in copious quantities there no more. The Rust Belt is a direct result of the Chinese Communist Party’s economic warfare against our country, designed to destroy its industrial base, to make us dependent upon them for steel and medicine and flat screens and lithium ion batteries and windmills and any number of other things. The last couple of things I mentioned there go to the heart of the energy warfare the Chinese has been have been waging on us. You know, they’ve talked a good game about their commitment to climate change. They’re producing coal fired power plants every day practically. They don’t give a fig about the environment, let alone [01:14:00] climate change. They just want to use it as a means of stripping us of our fossil fuel energy security and make us dependent upon them for things like, as I say, batteries and wind turbines and so on. This is all part of a grand strategy that they’ve been pursuing, as I mentioned, for decades now. Unfortunately, we fear they’re at a point where they are prepared to add to the mix the old-fashioned kind of warfare, the shooting kind.
Rich Valdes: [01:14:35] Now. Do you really? I know they’ve been building up their military and they’ve shown some aggression, in particular Taiwan and in the South China Sea with their little fake islands and whatnot. But I don’t get the sense again, you’d know way better than me, but I don’t get the sense that they want that fight with the United States, at least not now. Or do you think they’re ready for it and they’re looking for it?
Frank Gaffney: [01:15:00] It’s a great question. And I think the answer to it is this there is a tradition going back millennia to Sensei, the famous Chinese strategist that is preferable to win without fighting. Win without fighting the art of war. Exactly. And yet I think Xi Jinping is an monomaniacal kind of character seeking to have a stature in China and in the world’s history that rivals, in fact, surpasses that of Mao Tse-Tung. And I think his belief is that he has now achieved a well, the Soviets used to call it a correlation of forces that would allow him to win decisively a war against the United States, as well as Taiwan and other allies, and that he has his own domestic internal reasons for wanting to engage in it. That that as you mentioned, I think in your [01:16:00] lead in there’s a banking crisis, there’s a real estate crisis, there’s a demographic crisis. There’s all kinds of turbulence inside his own country. Tyrants have often, as you know, I’m sure, relied upon external threats, even manufactured ones, to justify intensified repression at home and divert their people’s attention elsewhere rather than at the regime. So I think all of these things are adding up. And the tell, as we talk about in the indictment at length, is the growing evidence of the preparations for war. And by the way, not just in terms of building up a military, you know, that is our rival at best, but at worst, it is surpassing us in important respects, but also the preparations for the people to accept still greater hardship and sacrifice and privation. I think that’s what that whole Covid lockdown [01:17:00] business was about in China was preparing them for what will be entailed if a war does, in fact, break out between the United States and the Chinese Communist Party.
Rich Valdes: [01:17:11] Folks. We’re on with Frank Gaffney. He’s the chairman of the Center for Security Policy. And we’ve been talking about China. Frank Gaffney, I know your foreign affairs is your forte, but I want to switch gears to some domestic policy because it involves the late Limbaugh called him Ronaldus Magnus, the late great President Ronald Reagan. And we’re going to do that straight ahead right after this.
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Rich Valdes: [01:18:09] All right, America, welcome back. We’re on with Frank Gaffney, former Reagan DOD official and chairman at the Center for Security Policy. He’s also got a TV show, Securing America with Frank Gaffney, and he’s the author of a brand new book that you’ve got to get the indictment Prosecuting the Chinese Communist Party and Friends for Crimes Against America, China and the World that came out just yesterday. Make sure you pick up two copies, one for yourself, one for a friend. Now, Frank Gaffney, you’re a former Reagan official. And just so happens by happenstance here that the California Reparations Committee is demanding that the state apologize for then-Governor Reagan’s term of welfare queen. And the state task force is now calling on the legislature, the governor, and [01:19:00] to issue an apology for slavery and for anti-black discrimination. How do you respond to that? And what do you think the Gipper would say?
Frank Gaffney: [01:19:12] Oh, I think the Gipper would probably say this is right out of the playbook of the Communists. You know, Mao I mentioned earlier, Rich was a specialist in fracturing his opposition. He would set people against one another and out of the chaos, he would find it easier to dominate and control them. And what the communists, including the Maoists, by the way, including their allies, their friends, as we’ve talked about in our own country, are carrying this out. The reparations commission and this whole idea that that people who had nothing to do with slavery in a state that was free, it [01:20:00] was not a slave state, by the way, owed reparations to people who generations before may or may not actually have had a relative who had anything to do with slavery. Is is a prime example of the Maoist sort of cultural Marxism in our midst. And I think Reagan would have laid it bare and have taken it on not not, you know, capitulated to it, which an awful lot of politicians in California, where I am at the moment, by the way, in our time, are doing. And it’s one of these things that I think we’ve allowed ourselves to be bullied. We’ve allowed ourselves to be forced into submission to all of this. And I think it goes a long way to explaining the kinds of real problems we have in America today. Needless, avoidable ones that we can’t sustain, honestly. It’s it’s a credit, in a way, to [01:21:00] the Chinese Communist Party and their allies that they’ve put us in this kind of condition and we’ve got to get out of it. And we have, by the way, in that indictment of ours, 20 different action items that we recommend to counter what they’ve been doing to us and what they have in mind doing to us in the future, by the way. And we’ve got to get about right quick adopting and and implementing these action items, I think.
Rich Valdes: [01:21:27] All right, folks, Frank Gaffney is our guest and the book is the Indictment. Pick up a couple of copies. Frank Gaffney, let everybody know how they can follow the work that you’re doing and all of the the wonderful things you’re involved with.
Frank Gaffney: [01:21:40] Well, thank you. As I mentioned, one is the committee on the present Danger China, which really was seminal in putting this book together. PresentDangerChina.org, our Center for Security Policy site is SecureFreedom.org. And you can follow my show at SecuringAmerica.TV. Thanks so much for understanding.
Rich Valdes: [01:21:59] You bet. Thank [01:22:00] you for being with us.
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