May 17, 2023
Shaun wants all corrupt Democrats away from him! Frank Gaffney, Founder and Executive Chairman of the Center for Security Policy tells Shaun just how infiltrated our government is with Communist sympathizers – he exposes the Chinese Communist Party in his newest book The Indictment: Prosecuting the Chinese Communist Party & Friends for Crimes Against America, China, and the World.
The Shaun Thompson Show – See transcript below.
Frank Gaffney, Founder and Executive Chairman of the Center for Security Policy tells Shaun just how infiltrated our government is with Communist sympathizers – he exposes the Chinese Communist Party in his newest book The Indictment: Prosecuting the Chinese Communist Party & Friends for Crimes Against America, China, and the World.
HIGHLIGHTS
Shaun Thompson: [00:40:59] You’re talking out of 537 [00:41:00] politicians when you include the president and the vice president, who the Chinese Communist Party own. You’re talking they own 40% of the Senate and arguably a third of the Congress. And if you look at these cities that are so Chinese, heavily invested, like these dimwits in Chicago, the Daley morons and their cohorts of corruption, the short and the pants Democrats from Chicago, you realize they’ve probably done this in every major Democrat run hub. It explains the real estate investment and it explains so many of our policies that simultaneously weaken American companies and American economy and strengthen the Chinese. So when you have this infiltration, this deep, this rooted in our government. Is there any reason we shouldn’t lose faith in the systems that are more interested in investigating American taxpayers, American pro-life movements, and American Republicans than they are the Chinese communist money in our government? [00:42:00]
Frank Gaffney: [00:42:02] Well, let me put it in my own words. I believe that this 40% is wittingly, deliberately, knowingly captured by our mortal enemy, the Chinese Communist Party.
FULL TRANSCRIPT
Shaun Thompson: [00:34:49] In 1987. I remember it well. I was right out of high school. The world was my oyster. Girls love my thick hair, which isn’t so thick anymore. I remember hearing the name Frank [00:35:00] Gaffney because I was very political back then. That was the year that Ronald Reagan had nominated Frank Gaffney to become an assistant secretary of Defense. I am so lucky I get to talk to him for the second time. He’s got a new book out, The Indictment Prosecuting the Chinese Communist Party and Friends for Crimes Against America, China and the World. He is Frank Gaffney. How are you, Frank?
Frank Gaffney: [00:35:26] Well, I’m better because I’m back with you.
Shaun Thompson: [00:35:28] I love it. And I for having me. I love the book. I love the cover of the book. I love everything about it. But I just got it yesterday. I didn’t get through all of it. I don’t want to misrepresent myself. Do you address the fact that here we are in an America and you going into government during the Cold War? I don’t remember the ability of Soviets to campaign, contribute to congressmen, senators, and ultimately own the crack smoking son of a would be president. Was that allowed back then?
Frank Gaffney: [00:36:00] I [00:36:00] don’t think it’s ever been allowed. I think it happened back then. In fact, we did a very interesting webinar today of our committee on the present Danger China, which, as you know, Sean, is kind of the feedstock for much of the content of our book. The indictment this one had the provocative title Is Joe Biden a quote, controlled asset of the Chinese Communist Party, unquote. And what we talked about in the person of one of our participants, Trevor Loudon, who I think I’ve mentioned to you before, a serious scholar on the enemy within problem. He reminded me of something I had frankly not recalled, though I worked in the Senate in roughly this period, Joe Biden was elected the first time to the United States Senate with the very strong [00:37:00] support not of the Soviet Union making direct campaign contributions, but through a cutout. Called the Council for a Livable World, a notorious Soviet front group that had as its principal purpose in life disarming unilaterally the United States of America. And Joe Biden got campaign contributions. He got activist support. He got you know, he comes from a tiny state. So it didn’t take a lot, but they put him over the top in that first election and he was involved with him throughout his Senate career.
Frank Gaffney: [00:37:35] And I think that was a first indication of how bad he was going to be, not just with the Soviets. In fact, Trevor told me a story today which was very interesting. He said that there was there was a document discovered. In the Soviet archives. They were open for a brief period of time after the downfall of the Soviet Union, and a remarkable professor who was [00:38:00] one of the best biographers of Ronald Reagan of all by the name of Paul Kengor, came across a document in which Joe Biden was explaining to his Soviet friends that when he was denouncing their human rights abuses. He didn’t really mean it. He just had to do it for, as he put it, American consumption. But he was interested in working with them no matter what. And don’t let that get in the way. And I think the Chinese have taken this whole play or playbook, if you will, to another whole level. But it’s it’s had its precursors in the past. It’s just never been done on an industrial scale, which Trevor, among others, hass documented fairly well.
Shaun Thompson: [00:38:48] Do you know what you know, what you just reminded me of? I have a clip that I’ve been playing this week of a communist who goes by the name of Gus Hall, even though he wasn’t born Gus Hall. He was born Arvo Gustava Hallberg. [00:39:00] Gus Hall ran for Communist Party in 1972. That’s the same year Joe Biden won the Senate. It’s also the same finance. Gus Hall was financed by that same group you just mentioned. Yeah. And this kind of coincidence.
Frank Gaffney: [00:39:21] It was just a pass through. They were funded by the Soviet Union.
Shaun Thompson: [00:39:24] Of course. Well, of course they are. But back then, they had to work kind of hard. Now they own Democrats and even Republicans out in the open. And my question is, doesn’t this explain and really the only explanation why the number two economy, second only to us, is still considered a favored nation and still gets the circumvent taxes and regulations that we have to abide by, our companies have to abide by. And after all, how many assets do you think they have in the Senate? Congress? We know they have the White House, but how many assets do you think the Chinese Communist Party controls? [00:40:00]
Frank Gaffney: [00:40:01] Well, I’m the beneficiary of somebody who has the answer to that question on the basis of very, very rigorous research and analysis. And that would, again, be this friend and colleague, a member of our committee on the present Danger China by the name of Trevor Loudon. He’s got a two-volume set entitled “Security Risk Senators.” Which calculates that there are 40 United States senators in the Senate today that have been compromised by the Chinese Communist Party, in some cases by others as well. But, or instead maybe, but that are security risks. He’s got a six-volume set of books that are coming out under the title “House Un-americans.” And he estimates that there are 100 members of the United States House that have been compromised or captured, if you will, by the Chinese Communist Party.
Shaun Thompson: [00:40:59] You’re talking out of 537 [00:41:00] politicians when you include the president and the vice president, who the Chinese Communist Party own. You’re talking they own 40% of the Senate and arguably a third of the Congress. And if you look at these cities that are so Chinese, heavily invested, like these dimwits in Chicago, the Daley morons and their cohorts of corruption, the short and the pants Democrats from Chicago, you realize they’ve probably done this in every major Democrat run hub. It explains the real estate investment and it explains so many of our policies that simultaneously weaken American companies and American economy and strengthen the Chinese. So when you have this infiltration, this deep, this rooted in our government. Is there any reason we shouldn’t lose faith in the systems that are more interested in investigating American taxpayers, American pro-life movements, and American Republicans than they are the Chinese communist money in our government? [00:42:00]
Frank Gaffney: [00:42:02] Well, let me put it in my own words. I believe that this 40% is wittingly, deliberately, knowingly captured by our mortal enemy, the Chinese Communist Party. I don’t think there’s a person in that group that is some kind of innocent who has just been taken advantage of by some super slick secret capabilities of the Chinese Communist Party. Mostly it’s the money. They’ve taken the money? Yeah. In some cases, they’re ideologically aligned. A fair number of them, I think, are in that category, particularly in the Democratic Party. The Republican Party, Trevor says. And I think he’s right. It’s principally the money, but in some cases they’ve been coerced into it. You know, there’s sexual dalliance, for example, Eric Swalwell, and that in the classic coercive [00:43:00] operation you can exploit. But mostly I think it’s the money. And I think they’ve done it and the damage that has flowed from it. And by the way, we’re talking about the Congress. But let’s not forget, the commander in chief of the United States military is the poster child of this process of elite capture. And what are the security implications of that? Well, Trevor was on the program, as I said, that we did today. It’s going to be available shortly if it’s not up just yet at present.
Frank Gaffney: [00:43:30] Danger China.org. And I really commend it to your audience. It’s it’s stunning. And what he says is, of course, this is done material harm to the national security of the United States. And my basic point in the book in one of 20. Specific action items we recommend must be adopted now if we’re to save our country from what the Chinese have in mind for us. And it’s not just that unrestricted pre kinetic kind of warfare, it’s [00:44:00] it’s the shooting kind. I think next, if we don’t stop them, what they’re doing, what they are about doing, as a matter of fact I think is taking us down. And if we don’t want that to happen, we’re going to have to ensure that the elites that have been captured, whether it’s in Wall Street, whether it’s in the business community more generally, whether it’s in the media, whether it’s in Hollywood or academia or of course, in political life, they have to be removed. They must be forced to resign. They must be impeached where appropriate, and they ought to be tried. And I think the charge ought to be treason in a lot of the cases. You know.
Shaun Thompson: [00:44:38] Frank, when I look at the policies, the golden geese of corruption in our government, I mean, it’s you’re hard pressed to not find one, whether you’re talking about big pharma, you’re talking about so many so many of the defense contracts or whatever the case is. The greatest gift to the Chinese Communist Party is what I call eco Naziism or the green agenda. This is something that [00:45:00] is very, very corrupted, very, very failed. However, it’s very, very lucrative. Is there talk you had a committee today, if I’m not, you had you talked about it earlier, the conference you had and I know you had politicians show up. Is there, in your opinion, the courage to stand up against this fascism in the name of climate and all the utopian nonsense communists have been spewing for 100 years? Is there the courage in our government to put up and say, this is a fraud, it’s weakening America, it’s strengthening China, and we’re not doing it because that’s what we really need to be done at this point, isn’t it?
Frank Gaffney: [00:45:38] Yeah. You know, courage is contagious. We don’t need a large number of people to exhibit courage in order to have it make a difference. We need a small number. And you’re right. We did a press conference. We did this webinar today, but we also did a press conference with, I think, some 20 members of the House of Representatives. And these were courageous men and women. [00:46:00] And they went right at one of the particularly insidious right up there alongside this elite capture business, one of the particularly insidious lines of attack of the Chinese Communist Party’s unrestricted warfare is that they have taken control basically of international organizations. Yes, the UN, the World Trade Organization, all.
Shaun Thompson: [00:46:24] Financed by US.
Frank Gaffney: [00:46:25] Organization, the World Health Organization, substantially funded by us. You’re right. Also by Bill Gates, by the way, in the case of the W.H.O.. But what they were there to do today was to challenge what’s being done here and most especially to challenge what Joe Biden is now aggressively trying to do for his Chinese communist masters, and that is to turn the World Health Organization, which even just as an advisory body, wrought incalculable damage on our country. In this recent unpleasantness, I call it pandemic 1.0, The [00:47:00] Covid.
Shaun Thompson: [00:47:01] Pandemic. The greatest bioweapon released on man.
Frank Gaffney: [00:47:04] Yeah, Joe Biden is now trying to give them the power to order us about what is a public health emergency of international concern, not just a pandemic, but any public health emergency that they seem to fit to designate as such and to direct us to mandate us as a country as to what we’re going to do in response to what they say is a crisis. This is a frontal assault on our sovereignty, I believe on our Constitution, certainly our freedoms, and it must not stand. And we had 20 members of the United States House of Representatives saying exactly that outside the Capitol today.
Shaun Thompson: [00:47:41] Frank, you know what’s interesting is that just this week in Florida, where I live, they signed a law that the government, the federal government has no control over any of the companies, any of the small business, any of the schools. They cannot mandate the vaccine. They cannot mandate [00:48:00] masks. They cannot mandate shutdowns. And like you said, as you articulated, courage is contagious. I’ve now heard that there are at least 16 other states that are considering passing the same kind of laws. This is really the kind of. Excitement we need in this country. After all the states that vote for Democrats that are Democrat strongholds, they’re lost anyway. But we can still save the vast majority of the country because they’re not all corrupted like Chicago, Illinois, or New York, New York or Jersey and the rest of it. I mean, you can still fight it off from these strong. States of. Of success, can’t you?
Frank Gaffney: [00:48:41] 100%. Look, I think the hour is very late, Sean.
Shaun Thompson: [00:48:45] Yeah, I know you do.
Frank Gaffney: [00:48:46] I believe that what assures our success and the only thing that assures our success, given the lateness of the hour, is God’s grace. And I think we all ought to be busily invoking [00:49:00] it and earning it. But having said that, it’s still going to fall to us to do our part. With God’s help. All things are possible. Of course, without it, we probably won’t succeed. But either way, we’ve got to do what we can to stave off what is otherwise our certain fate. And you know, my old boss, Ronald Reagan, used to talk about every generation having an existential threat to freedom that they have to fight. You know, freedom not being passed on, as he put it, to the next generation through the bloodstream. It has to be fought for and protected and and turned over to them to do the same. And he said something that is so important. And I it haunts me every time I think about it. He said, if we don’t do that, if we fail to do what we can again, hopefully with God’s grace, we will be telling our children and our children’s children what it was like to live in the United States when men were free. Frank I don’t want any part [00:50:00] of that, Sean. And I know you don’t either. So it need to be about making it.
Shaun Thompson: [00:50:03] Otherwise. I’m so glad we’re old, Frank and I mean that because we got we were able to live in the country when it had integrity and the principles of Americanism. And I’m going to I’m going to confess something. I listen to a lot of books. I drive a lot. I fly a lot. And I listen to a lot of books. And one of my favorite books is “An American Life” by Ronald Reagan. And the reason it’s my favorite is because he reads it. So for three hours, you get to hear his voice as he reads it. And that’s what’s truly inspirational, that there still is an opportunity for somebody of that moral character, of that Americanism principle, foundation of it to be in power. And it’s only through that kind of person can we reestablish or right the ship and reestablish the principles of Americanism, because too many of our fellow Americans are ignorant to exactly the kind of fascism, Marxism and communism were really fall under, as they call themselves, Democrats, and in some cases, Republicans. So I want to thank [00:51:00] you for the book. It’s the indictment, and this is something that needs to be read by everybody prosecuting the Chinese Communist Party and friends for crimes against America, China and the world. Frank, I can’t tell you how much I appreciate you for what you’re doing and where else can the people go? You mentioned it before your website.
Frank Gaffney: [00:51:19] A couple of them if I could quickly rattle them off our site at the Center for Security Policy, which I’m the executive chairman founder is secure freedom.org. It is what a friend of mine calls a resourceful site and we hope people will take advantage of it. The webinars that I talked about, Sean, among many other things, videos and written content and the like, is that present danger China? Org That’s the site of the committee on the present danger China. And you can subscribe to those webinars by the way, so you can get them every week and I encourage you to do that. Also, [00:52:00] by the way, if you do get the book in the back, we have the 70 or so that we had done up to the time it went to press with a QR code. So if you’re interested in something that I pick up in the book and you want to see the context or you want to learn more about it, you can just put your phone over it and boom, you’re there. A third site, which I would hope your audience might take a look at too, is where we have the content of our daily television program on Real America’s Voice. The audio track is also on the American Family Radio Network. And you can also find my daily commentary there. It’s called Securing America TV. And then I’m on the usual social media platforms at at Frank Gaffney.
Shaun Thompson: [00:52:43] Whenever you have something that you want to promote, please, please contact us. And in the in the meantime, when you get these congressmen, I really think it would be something to see how many of them want to strip away the favored nation status of the number two economy. This is something [00:53:00] I think that would be crucially helpful to us because under that favoritism, they have managed to destroy Americanism. And I really think this is something we need to attack. And if you have courageous elected officials, they’ll understand it. And the problem is so many of them don’t. And through you teaching them, I know we have hope. He is. Frank Gaffney, the indictment is the name of the book. You can find them everywhere. He is a warrior for Americanism. Thank you so much, my friend, for coming on.
Frank Gaffney: [00:53:31] And you too, my friend. Take care.
Shaun Thompson: [00:53:32] God bless you, too. We’ll be back with your calls and comments.